Samuel Winch ^{292,493,494,495,496,497,498,499,500}

  General Notes:

New York State, Oneida County, Paris & Whitestown Township 1800 census
Samuel Winch ( son of Thomas & Elizabeth (Drury) Winch
0-10 years of age male - 2
10-16 years of age male - 0
16-26 years of age male-1
45 and up male - 1
0-10 years of age female - 1
10-16 years of age female - 3
16-26 years of age female 1
45 and up female 1
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Letter from researcher H.M. Hegyessy Jr. of 23 August 1985 to Shirley Neil of Edson Alberta, Canada

As I have mentioned in previous report, the father of your William Winch was a Samuel Winch born in 1797 in New York State and who moved frequently back and forth between New York State and Canada, to Ohio, to Minnesota, to Iowa, and back to Minnesota. Several of the older children were born in New York State, at least one in Ohio, and the balance in Fillmore County, Minnesota.
The problem we have faced was to find the exact birthplace of your Samuel Winch, father of William, in New York State and his parentage.. I believe now that the father was also named SAMUEL WINCH . Samuel Jr. was born in 1797 in New York State. In 1790, the only Winch in the entire state of New York census was a SAMUEL WINCH in Whitestown, Montgomery County.
Before I go further, I want to explain again the splitting of counties in central and western New York. In 1790, Whitestown, where the older Samuel lived was in Montgomery. In 1791, Whitestown became a part of Herkimer County formed from Montgomery County. In 1798 , Herkimer Co. was split and Oneida county was formed and Whitestown again belonged to a new county. In 1815, Oneida county was divided and a new county, Oswego, was formed.
In the 1800 census, the older Samuel Winch and a Benjamin Winch, possible brothers, lived close together in Oneida County. In 1804, Benjamin Winch was the only adult male survivor of a boating accident on Lake Ontario and was living in a part of Oneida County that became Oswego County. Whether Samuel Winch died in that accident we do not know for sure but he was missing from the 1810 census of Oneida County. In 1800, both Samuel and Benjamin Winch had young boys under 10 years of age which fits your Samuel (Jr) age-wise.
You will recall from previous reports that the younger Samuel Winch and his two sons Asel and Marshall, owned and operated sawmills in Fillmore County, Minnesota. The operation of sawmills seems to have been traditional in the Winch family. Sawmill operators moved frequently to new and better locations for their trade which may account for the transient status of the younger Samuel Winch family. This is speculation but it is based on the frequency of sons in those days following their parents occupations. The younger Samuel (b. 1797 ed. ) may have been apprenticed in the trade in Oneida County, New York.
In the deed records of Oneida County, I found that Samuel Winch owned a sawmill as early as 1789 in Oneida County and sold it in 1793. It is probable that he either leased or rented another since a Samuel Winch is referred to in another deed executed in 1802 but not recorded until 1820.
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July 31, 2001
Hi Jan,

The Winch business was sawmills, and they took it on to Canada as well, then to Minn.Some why's and how's:

More babbling about the Winchkins...I hope this doesnt get too boring...I seem to have worked them over for so many years for the clues to their moves and marriages and origins. Here is what I read about in Canadian county and townhship histories, a bit in the Canadian Census, NY Census, OhioCensus, Saml JR estate settlement, Uncle Williams letters from San Diego in the 1920's (from my Aunt Fae Robbins DAR research) Oneida County township histories etc..

Sawmilling, sawyering, was the business of the Winchs. Whether they were doing this in MA and NH I do not know, but it was from the 1790'and on into Canada in 1820's and then into MN up through at least 1930's, possibly up to the early 1940's.
When Albert who had married Harriet (and was widowed I think by that time), (Yes I see by her death certificate which I have a copy from Fairbault that she d. 1927, age79) came to visit my grandmother either in the late thirties or 40's, his sister, (Margaret) Jane Winch Robbins. Grandmother said he had a sawmill, near Amherst I think she said......ask someone in Amherst! In fact, somewhere in my attic I have a picture of Uncle Albert who married Harriet Van Amber, standing by his (I think it was called a mudsaw) tall round saw, seemingly held up by some large poles that supported a big round metal disk. If I find the thing in the attic I will copy it.

The move to Canada furnished opportunity for the Winch brothers, Saml JR and John Winch to set up new sawmills. I think James Anderson has Ron Bedard on his mail list,; possibly Ron knows that John Winch of E. Gwillembury ran a sawmill. From what I saw when we visited there (twenty-five miles north of Toronto), it had been forrested lake-like country. Ask Ron, he knows a lot about Canada and John's family.

In New York State most of the land was owned by American and or foreign investors who either had bought the land cheaply, or in some cases it had been granted to them by the colony or state of NY, and these huge tracts could not be developed for sale to settlers until something had been cleared. The trees were felled in herringbone stlye, a fire was lit to burn it off. At that point a township would begin to fill in with newcomers. Some of the land was not tillable, some was much too rocky, other parts too saline etc. Quite a bit was steep, the best most tillable was along the Mohawk river bottom. But still the counties began to fill with the overflow from even rockier New England.

It was easy to see why some of these large families migrated to Michigan, Ohio, and Canada, and of course grain farmers went on to the midwest, and practically free government land grant counties.
Each forested area they moved to required commercial cutting contracts to clear the acreage for settlers. In the Saml SR case, he and the Mountany families and several other families probably, were likely on these clearance jobs. One history mentioned that the New York land owner families that owned the properties to get them sold off.

I suspect that the move to Canada was similar to many other families. Rocky, forested upstate New York did not afford suitable livings for those huge growing families. The Winch girls Clara, Susan And Patty were older than the two boys, Samuel and John.

Patty is really Martha, named for her Martha grandmother that married into the Maynard family. Clara married Hugh Ogilvy, but if you notice the the census for NY State it seems they could have been married in upstate NY. The Ogilvy family lived in the vicinity of the Winchs. The girls being older than the boys, presumably they were married before the Canada move. The Ogilvy family is on the Canadian Census indexes, but I have never looked them up. On the 1871 Clara Ogilvy appears to be widowed.

The sister called Patty(Martha) married a Hazelton and lived in the area of Painseville Ohio. I have not searched them in Canada. Uncle William said that his father's sister Patty introduced Samuel JR. to his last and fourth wife, the widow Mary Ann Dexter ......with whom he signs on the property records in Minn.

It is this sister Patty (Martha) Hazelton living in or near Painseville
Ohio(actually she lists herself as Martha in the 1880 Census of Ohio) to where Saml JR and Mary (the former widow Dexter) return later, and sister Patty seems somewhat caring to look after the widow after Samuel is deceased. The estate settled in favor of the THIRD wife as heir, not the fourth(Mary) and is looked after by Patty(Martha )and Mary----dies there.
One could possibly be inferr she may been a former in-law or good friend.
To get back to Canada, and why they moved there, 1. The land was extremely cheap, and the Canadian government was happy to have settlers. 2. The Winch family ran sawmills and they continued to do so, as a needed service in that forested part of Canada.

Share this with the list, if any anyone is possibly interested. Maybe they know much more and we can share??!

End of babble. We are off to Minn. to Brainerd., fishing, sunsets, mosquitoes.
Keep in touch .
June Nash Lindquist
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October 31, 2001, Good Morning Jim,
Regarding SamuelSr., documentation for his wife.

I received a verified copy from a family bible showing marriage of Samuel Winch/Elizabeth Maynard from another cousin that had joined the DAR under Samuel Sr. Also have a copy of page 792 from the book History of Fitzwilliam, NH from 1752-1887 Rev. John Norton which states Jason Winch, Bapt. Sept 1751; m. Abigail ______, noting that both histories of Framingham say that he m. Elizabeth Maynard, which is not correct.

Under Samuel Winch bapt. Feb 3, 1760; m. in F. June 29, 1780 Elizabeth b. April 24, 1761, daughter of Joseph and Abigail (Jennings) Maynard of Fram. At this time it only listed for children, the infant who died and Patty, Betsey and Sukey. My problem is that Samuel Jr. was not listed in this publication. States they left town before 1793; rem. to Sullivan N.H. This is
probably why he isn't listed!
Thanks again.
Mary Annette (Cramer) Brown
638 Toho Trail
Flagstaff, AZ 86001

  Research Notes:

Datee: Nov 11, 1805, Vol 6, Issue 1756, page 4
newspaper: [unknown at this time (2006)]

By order of the hon. Jedediah Sanger, esq. first judge of the court of
common pleas for the county of Oneida: Notice is hereby given to Samuel
Winch, late of Whitestown, in said county, an absconding or concealed
debtor, that upon application and due proof made to said Jedediah Sanger,
by a creditor of said Samuel Winch, pursuant to an act of the legislature
of the state of New York entitled "an act for relief against absconding
and absent debtors," passed 21st March 1801, he hath directed all the
estate of said Samuel Winch within the county of Oneida to be seized, and
that unless the said Samuel Winch shall return and discharge his debts
within three months after publication of this notice, the estate will be
sold for the payment of his debts. Dated August 17th, 1805. E. Clark,
attorney.

  Noted events in his life were:

• Residence, 1790, Whitestown, New York.

Samuel married Elizabeth Maynard, daughter of Joseph Maynard Ens. and Abigail Jennings, on 29 Jun 1780 in Fitzwilliam, N.H. ⁴⁹¹.^,492 (Elizabeth Maynard was born on 24 Apr 1761 in Framingham, Mass. ²⁹².)

  Marriage Notes:

The source of "A Genealogical Register of Framingham Families" by J.H. Temple published 1887 by The Town of Framingham indicates that Elizabeth Maynard married Jason Winch 1774, the younger brother of Samuel Winch.. but I strongly suspect this source is in error as a reasonable looking IGI record exists which states that Jason Winch married Abigail How on Batch M506161 -1849, of LDS film 0928294
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-----Original Message-----
From: Rhett Owings [<mailto:georgeo@earthlink.net>]
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 11:53 PM
To: khackett@wmis.net
Subject: Re: BWO Look-Up Request:


January 10, 2006
Hello Kevin,
"The Hist. of Fitzwilliam" does indeed have info on all you mention.
However, since it is far too much for me to type out for you, I will be
glad to mail you copies free of charge.

I need just your mailing address and I will get copies of to you. In short, your sources confirm, according to the Hist. of Fitz., that
Elizabeth did marry Samuel, not Jason. There are several pages on the WINCHs and MAYNARDs in the book. Some of it may have come from the Framingham book as it is mentioned in the information.

Please quote this email in your response.
Rhett Owings
genealogy researcher

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NOTE: the marriage record for Elizabeth Maynard to Samuel Sr. Winch at Fitzwilliam, Cheshire,MA.. LDS IGI film # 1761040 ..note the "Sr" title.. This is of course long before they have their own child Samuel (b. 1797) and indicates that this Samuel is the brother born in 1755 (not the brother Samuel born in 1760) both of the same parents of Thomas Winch and Elizabeth Drury) Why they would name two of their sons Samuel in a mystery but that does seem to be the case..