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Catherine Irene Denyse Morad
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Catherine Irene Denyse Morad 1 2 3 4 5 6
- Born: 31 Jan 1920, London, England 4 5
- Christened: 19 Feb 1923, Sacred Heart Catholic Church, Shanklin, Isle Of Wight 4
- Marriage: Spencer Dampier Dyson on 19 Dec 1946 in Trinity United Manse, Port Coquitlam, B.C. 1 2
 General Notes:
The normal residence for Catherine as a small child was at the Roseberry Manor in Shanklin, on the Isle of Wight but was actually born in London. Catherine's mother also had a son born previously that was stillborn. (prior to 1920)
Feb 4, 2003, interview with Catherine (Morad) Dyson.. In light of the apparent occupation of Fritz Morad as a baker as shown on his marriage registration it is a bit of a puzzle of how Catherine and her sister Greta found themselves to be in the rather prestigious manor known as "Roseberry" near Shanklin on the Isle of Wight.
Also, in light of the recently revealed brothers and sisters of Alice (Allsop) Morad, why were the two girls not taken care of by the extended family of the Allsops after the mother Alice went to USA ?
A study of the land records for the "Roseberry" estate on the Isle of Wight would prove interesting.. jca Roseberry is presently occupied as a hotel and is located right in Shanklin..(as of 2003)
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Certificate of Baptism.
I certify that Catherine Irene Denyse Morad daughter of Frederick Morad and Alice Morad (formerly) Allsop, was born on the 31st day of January, 1920 and was baptised on the 19th day of February, 1923rd, at the Church of the Sacred Heart, Shanklin, Isle of Wight, by the Rev. Patrick J. MacSwiney.
The sponsors were Denyse Thauvron and ------.
And I further Certify that the above is a true copy of the Register kept in the Catholic Church at THE SACRED HEART, SHANKLIN, ISLE OF WIGHT.
signed, Edward H Clark, date 3rd June 1934
(note: Denyse Thauvron was the nanny who took care of the Morad children.. jca) 1
Research Notes:
August 21, 2010
Hi Jim:
Well, I spent today digging into our friend Alice again. Been trying to find a Harry Vigurs that would fit the dates we have managed to acquire.
I've been prompted by the recent visit with Ruth and Florence to see Catharine and Penny and have to tell you, I came away with my mind full of more questions! I have to say, there are some things that don't make sense, so it seems the best approach is to take very small steps in order to establish some reliable facts, and eliminate conjecture. This is all "off the cuff" for discussion purposes. It's just that two or more heads are sure better than one.
So now I'll proceed with conjecture.....
Catharine is such a neat lady and if you get a cup of tea, sit back with her and relax, she can take her time and think way back about what her life's experiences were. This is where we can pick up tidbits here, tidbits there and see what starts forming parts of her history.
I asked her about Roseberry House and if she recollected how she might have ended up there; moreover how long she might have lived there and with whom. e.g. did she have any recollection of Harry Vigurs? She speculated that perhaps he owned Roseberry and maybe even hired Denyse Thauvron. Also said her mother did stay there as well.
Then I asked if she could recall what age she might have been when she was sent to the orphanage in Swansea and did she know the name of it. I made notes for myself and later when we got back to Ruth's, we thought some clarification was needed as well as how Catharine got from an orphanage in Swansea and into nurse's training in London. Ruth talked to her mum the next day and got a bit more info:
Catharine was put with a family in Oxwich near Swansea. There was a father, mother and a little boy about the same age as Catharine. She thinks she was there before age 6 and probably stayed with them 1-2 years.
She then went into the orphanage in Swansea, might be St. Dunstan and we think would have been Catholic as Denyse had her baptized in an RC church on the Isle of Wight.
Catharine also mentioned that it was the people at the orphanage who told her they were really impressed her mum especially her ability with languages. So I'm asking where and why would they have been talking to her mum? Oh, they went to New York to look at her circumstances because she wanted to bring Catherine to New York. Ruth twigged immediately said whispered "I bet it was Denyse Thauvron", and we both think that's who they were talking to because it certainly sounds like Denyse was one of the women who put Catharine into "care".
My "evidence" is as follows: The earliest record of Denyse on the NY Passenger Lists is 1927 when she arrived in October from Cherbourg. Her occupation is teacher and could speak English, French, Spanish and Russian. Also the copy of Catharine's baptism showed it was verified in 1934. Catharine would have been 14 by then. Ruth found out from her mum that she went directly from Swansea to London into training at age 17.
Back to Alice: You were able to locate her working as a domestic in St Pancras on the 1911 Census with a family headed by Howard Angus Kennedy.
Did you notice that their daughter was born in Quebec? Also when Alice came to Canada, she was to work as a domestic for a family named Kennedy in Ottawa. Says I to myself, this looks a bit more than coincidental.
Turns out this Howard Kennedy made many trips between the UK and Canada, in fact, in November 1932 he noted he had lived in Ottawa between April 1881 and Oct 1932, and his address was 603 The Aylmer's, Ottawa, Ont.
Bingo! Now we know why Alice decided to come to Canada - she had a job with the same Kennedy family she worked for in 1911 before she married Morad. Actually in 1933 Mr Kennedy said he lived 1881-1933 in Montreal and the address was 5010 Sherbrooke St W, Montreal.
A little tidbit to add: their son roderick Kennedy, joined up in WW1 and gave his next of kin as H A Kennedy of Lacombe, Alberta.
I know this is a long and dragged out missive from me and I hope I have put it all in some sort of logical order. Not all of this is suitable for the web, but if you tell me what is appropriate, I can organize and send it back to you for ease of input.
By the way, Harry Vigurs? There is a wad of them in Fulham and there is a Harry born 4Q 1887 Vol 1a page 255, that might fit the bill, but I haven't managed anything more. Looking at the occupations of the various Vigur names, I don't see anyone who might have afforded Roseberry House.
Did find in the Wills website a Laura Vigurs (Vicurs) of 9 Goodhall-street, Willesden Junction Middlesex, Widow, died 7 Mar 1915 at Kingswood-road, Chiswick, Middlesex. administration London 31 Mar to Harry Vigurs, Constable. Effects 162 pounds 4s 10d. This is probably Harry Last Vigurs, the policeman who died before Spencer Dyson did, which just adds to the confusion as to whether it was Morad or Vigurs that Grethe told Catharine to go after for some money after Spencer died.
That's it -- thanks for being patient with me!
Maureen
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The birth registration for Catherine Morad was requested from the Achievements of Cantebury on Feb 4, 2003 jca The results of this search were received on March 4, 2003 and they found no trace of a birth registration of Catherine Morad. jca
(note. we later found the birth registration for Catherine under the name Katherine Irene Vigurs, born 31st January , 1920 at 302 Fulham Palace Road in London.)
Noted events in her life were:
• Residence: Gully Road, 2001, Kelowna , B.C. 1
• Residence: 302 Fulham Palace Road, Jan 1920, Fulham, County of London. 5
• Residence: Isle of Wight, Abt 1921, Isle Of Wight, Great Britain. 1
• Residence: Field Place, Dec 1946, Huggetts Lane, Willingdon, Sussex. 6
• Travel: London to New York to Toronto, Canada, Dec 1946, London England to Toronto Canada. 7
Catherine married Spencer Dampier Dyson, son of Arthur Dyson and Florence Hudson, on 19 Dec 1946 in Trinity United Manse, Port Coquitlam, B.C..1 2 (Spencer Dampier Dyson was born on 19 Oct 1905 in Zeerust, Transvaal, South Africa,2 3 8 died on 23 Jan 1958 in Kelowna , B.C. 3 and was buried on 27 Jan 1958 in Kelowna City Cemetery, Kelowna , B.C. 3.)
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Sources
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Dyson, Catherine, interview, Nov 5, 2001, Dec 26, 2002, Mar 19, 2003, Mrs. Catherine Dyson, Kelowna, B.C. I got married at a private ceremony in Vancouver, B.C. on the 19th of December 1946 after arriving by air into Vancouver the previous day. (interview by James Anderson on 19 October, 2010 in Kelowna, B.C.)
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Dyson - Morad, Marriage registration, 1946, BC Archives. :
Certified True Copy of Registration Document
Province of British Columbia
Registration Of Marriage
1. Place of Marriage:
City: Port Coquitlam
Street: Trinity United Manse
BRIDEGROOM
2. Name: Dyson Spenser Dampier
3. Trade, Profession or kind of work: Manager
4. Kind of industry or business: Experimental Station
5. Bachelor/widowed/divorced: Divorced
6. Age: 40
7. Religious Denomination: Umited Church
8. Citizenship: Canadian
9. Racial Origin: English
10. Residence: Dominion Experimental Station
East Kelowna, BC
11. Place of Birth: South Africa - Zeerust
12. Name of Father: Dyson Arthur
13. Maiden Name of Mother: Hudson Florence
14. Birthplace Father: India
15. Birthplace Mother: Wales
BRIDE
15. Name: Morad Catherine Irene Denyse
16. Trade or profession: Registered Nurse
17. Kind of Industry:
18. Spinster/Widiw/Divorced: Spinster
19. Age: 26
20. Religious Denomination: Protestant C of E
21. Citizenship: British
22. Racial Origin: English
23.Residence: Radley, 43 Marlborough Rd., Ipswich, Suffolk, England
24. Place of Birth: London, England
25. Name of Father: Morad Frederick
26. Maiden Name of Mother: Alsopp Alice Randall
27.Birthplace Father: England
Birthplace Mother: France
28. Date of Marriage: December 16 1946
29 Licence or Banns: Licence
30. Licence No. 93992-8?
31.
32. Signature of Groom: Spenser Dampier Dyson
Bride: Catherine Irene Denyse Morad
33. Signature of Witnesses: Bernard Dyson Perry, 700 W Georgia St. Vanc.
Marion K.(?) Perry, Dewdney Trunk Rd. Port Coquitlam, BC
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Dyson, Spencer Dampier, death registration, 1958, BC Archives, registration 1958-09-001855, film B-13235. :
Place of Death: Kelowna (Rural) , East Kelowna, at residence, RR3
Length of Stay: in Municipality: 30 years, in province: 34 years, in Canada: 47 years
Full Name of Deceased: DYSON, Spencer Dampier
Permanent residence of deceased: Kelowna (Rural), East Kelowna, RR3
Sex: male, Canadian, racial origin: English, Married,
Birthplace: Transvaal, South Africa
Date of Birth: October 19, 1905, Age: 52 years
Trade or Profession: Manager
Kind of Industry: Fruit growing Experimental Station
Date last worked at profession: January 23, 1958,
Total years spent in this occupation: 24 years
If married, or widowed, maiden name of wife: Katherine Irene MORAD
Name of Father: Dyson, Arthur, birthplace: England
Name of Mother: Hudson, Florence, birthplace: Wales
Name of informant: T.D. Dyson, relationship: brother
Address of informant: RR 3, Kelowna, B.C.
Burial: Date: January 27th , 1958
Place of Burial: Glenmore, Kelowna Cemetery
Undertakers: Kelowna Funeral Directors, Kelowna, B.C.
Date of Death: January 23, 1958
signed by: E. P. Carruthers, M.D. 1635 Abbott St. , Kelowna, B.C.
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Morad, Catherine Irene Denyse, baptism certificate, 1920, The Sacred Heart, Shanklin, Isle of Wight, England, Certificate of Baptism, The Sacred Heart Catholic Church, Shanklin, Isle of Wight,. :
Certificate of Baptism.
I certify that Catherine Irene Denyse Morad daughter of Frederick Morad and Alice Morad (formerly) Allsop, was born on the 31st day of January, 1920 and was baptised on the 19th day of February, 1923, at the Church of the Sacred Heart, Shanklin, Isle of Wight, by the Rev. Patrick J. MacSwiney.
The sponsors were Denyse Thauvron and ------.
And I further Certify that the above is a true copy of the Register kept in the Catholic Church at THE SACRED HEART, SHANKLIN, ISLE OF WIGHT.
signed, Edward H Clark, date 3rd June 1934
[Denyse Thauvron spent much of her life at this time in New York as per this arrival back in New York in September, 1934.
New York Passenger lists: 1820-1957
Denyse Thauvron,
arrival date: 21 Sep 1934
est birth year: abt 1889 Female
departure: Cherbourg, France
Place of origin: French
Ship Name: Berengaria
Name: Denyse Thauvron Estimated birth year: abt 1889 Age: 45 Gender: Female Port of Departure: Cherbourg, France Place of Origin: French Ship Name: Berengaria, Port of Arrival: New York, New York Nativity: England Line: 19 Microfilm Serial: T715 Microfilm Roll: T715_5551 Birth Location: England Birth Location Other: Geugnon Page Number: 124]
. US Social Security Death Index:
Name: Denyse Thauvron
SSN: 571-05-5845
Last Residence: 10016 New York, New York, New York, United States of America
Born: 4 Apr 1889
Last Benefit: 10021 New York, New York, New York, United States of America
Died: Feb 1978 State (Year)
SSN issued: California (Before 1951)
[This SSN death index is the only "Thauvron" listed on available indexes and it just happens to be a
Denyse Thauvron and could easily be the nanny to Catherine Irene Denyse Morad. jca
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New York Passenger Lists, Ancestry.com
Name: Denise Thauvron
Arrival Date: 22 Sep 1935
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889 Age: 46 Gender: Female
Occupation: Teacher
Port of Departure: Le Havre, France
Place of Origin: United States of America
Ship Name: Champlain Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Nativity: French
Line: 15 Microfilm Serial: T715 Microfilm Roll: 5708 Page Number: 30
Port Arrival State: New York Port Arrival Country: United States
Birth Location: France
Birth Location Other: Guenignen
Last Permanent Residence: U.S.A., Philadelphia, Pa.
Name: Denyse Maria Thauvron
Arrival Date: 13 Sep 1937
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889 Age: 48, Gender: Female , Single
Occupation: Teacher
Port of Departure: Le Havre, France
Place of Origin: United States of America
Ship Name: Normandie,
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Natonality: French
Line: 6 Microfilm Serial: T715 Microfilm Roll: 6044, Page Number: 47
Port Arrival State: New York
Port Arrival Country: United States
Birth Location: France
Birth Location Other: Gueugnon
Last permanent address: U.S.A., Palo Alto, Cal.
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Vigurs, Katherine Irene, birth registration, 1920, GRO, England. :
Certified Copy of and Entry of Birth Given at the General Register Office
Registration District: FULHAM
1920 Birth in the Sub-District of North West Fulham in the County of London.
No. 277
When and Where born: Thirty first January, 1920, 302 Fulham Palace Road
Name: Katherine Irene
Sex: Girl
Name and Surname of father: Harry Vigurs
Name, Surname and maiden surname of mother: Alice Morad Vigurs, formerly Allsop
Occupation of Father: Private Enquiry Agent of 49 Haverstock Hill, Hampstead N.W.
Informant: A. M. Vigurs, Mother, 302 Fulham Palace Road
When registered: Twelfth February, 1920
Registrar: A. Busby
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Morad, Catherine Irene, Information Sheet, Aircraft Passenger, US Department of Justice, Immigration and Naturalization Servie. :
1. Aircraft: NC90902, Departing London, 8th December, 1946
arrving in New York, Date: Dec 9, 1946
2. Passenger:
MORAD, Catherine Irene, Age 26, Sex F, Citizen Country: England, Embarkation: London England
3: Destination: New York, New Gardens 15 83-96 117 Street. (c/o Mother, Mrs Carl Sparks)
4: Place of Birth: England, London, Race: English
5: Height: Ft: 5, in.: 4 ; complexion: fair; colour of hair: Auburn; eyes: Hazel
6: Married or Single: Single; Occupation: State Registered Nurse
7: Able to read: English
8: Immigration document: Transit Cert? 1485; issued at London England; Date of issue: 9/5/46
9: Last permanent residence: England, Sussex, Willingdon, Huggetts Lane, Field Place
10: Final Destination: Canada , British Columbia, East Kelowna, Dom Experimental Station
(c/o Farmer Spencer Dyson)
11: Going to join relative or friend in US: see #3
12: Whether in U.S. before: No
13: Purpose in coming to U.S.: visit mother on way to Canada , length of intended stay: Transit 2 weeks.
14: Whether has ticket to destination: Yes Amount of money shown: $950
15: Whether ever in prison or in institution for the insane: No
16: Whether ever excluded from admision to the United States or arrested and deported from the United States: No
17: Marks of Indentification: [blank]
separate box for the immigration official
Immigration list No. 2, line 17
Transportation: American Overseas Airlines, Inc.
Aliens passport will expire: 8/14/47
Head tax status: Exempt
Held for BSI: [blank]
Admitted under section: 3/3
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Morad, C.I.D., 1946 passport. Passport # 255304
Miss Catherine Irene Denyse Morad and one child
British Subject by birth
passport issued in London, 16 August, 1946
Valid for one year only.
Profession: State Registered Nurse
Place and date of birth: London, 31 January, 1920
Residence: England
Height: 5ft, 4 in.
Colour of eyes: Hazel
Colour of hair: Auburn
Children: Ruth E Morad, Date of birth: 4 April, 1946, Sex: Female
stamped departing London Airport on Dec 8, 1946,
stamped arriving New York on Dec 9, 1946 for transit of 2 weeks.
stamped arriving Malton airport, Toronto on Dec 17th, 1946
Transit Certificate: No. 1485
Transit to Canada, port of entry: N.Y. date of entry: Dec/Jan
port of departure: Canadian Bride First Availalbe Connection.
date: Sept 5, 1946
Transit includes bearer's (one) with a child
stamped by American Consule, London, England
. in possession of Mrs. Catherine Irene Denyse Dyson as of October, 2010.
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1911 census, Mcleod District, Alberta, Canada. Enumeration district 23
twp 22 and 21, Range 2, West of 5th Meridian
page 15
Dwelling 165, family 165
Hudson, Elizabeth, section 10, twp 22, Range 2, 5th Meridian, female, Head, Widow, born Aug 1846, age 75, born England, immigration 1885, English, Canadian, Anglican, Rancher,
", Arthur, male, Son, single, Sept 1865, age 46, England. English, Canadian, Anglican
", Marion, female, Daughter, single, June 1867, age 44, England, English, Canadian, Anglican
Dwelling 166, family 166
Dyson, Florence, section 9, twp 22, Range 2, 5th Meridian, female, Head, Widow, born June 1870, age 40, born England, immigration 1885, English, Canadian, Anglican, Farmer
", Nina, female, daughter, single, May 1893, age 18, born Sask,, English, Canadian, Anglican
", Ella R, female, daughter, single, Oct 1894, age 17, Alberta, English, Canadian, Anglican
", Muriel V, female, daughter, single, June 1898, age 13, B.C., English, Canadian, Anglican
", Nora E, female, daughter, single, Dec 1900, age 11, Man,, English, Canadian, Anglican
", Terence, male, son, single, May 1901, age 10, Man, English, Canadian, Anglican
", Spencer, male, son, single, Oct 1905, age 5, born Transvaal, immigration 1910, English, Canadian, Anglican
", Peggy, female, daughter, single, Feb 1908, age 3, born Transvaal, immigration 1910, English, Canadian, Anglican