- Born: Abt 1825, Poplar, Middlesex 82,83,85,134,138
- Marriage (1): Gertrude Emma Ingram on 19 Oct 1847 in Bere Regis Parish, Dorset, England 130
- Marriage (2): Elizabeth Mary Ellis on 1 Mar 1863 in St. Mary Magdalen, St. George Parish, Southwark, Surrey 131
- Died: 18 Apr 1884, Ipswich, Suffolk, England aged about 59 50,84,134,140
- Buried: 22 Apr 1884, Ipswich Cemetery, Suffolk, England 141
Cause of his death was Cancer of Stomach.134
1871 census, Suffolk, Ipswitch St Nicholas, district 16
No. of schedule: 2
address: No 5 Falcon Street
John Hudson, Head, married, male, age 45, Manager Brewery , where born: unreadable
Elizabeth My. Hudson, wife, married, female, age 35, managers wife, born Dorsett, Swanage
Thomas E Hudson, son, unmarried, male, age 22, managers son, born Hampshire, Botley
Lillian A Hudson, daughter, unmarried, female, age 11, managers daughter, born Hampshire, Southsea?
Arthur F Hudson, son, unmarried, male, age 8, managers son, born Surrey, Bermonds??
Marion Hudson, daughter, unmarried, female, age 6, managers daughter, born Kent, Gravesend
Florence Hudson, daughter, unmarried, female, age 4, managers daughter, born Glamorganshire, Swansea
George Hudson, son, unmarried, male, age 2, managers son, born Surrey, Camberwell
Ada Hudson, daughter, unmarried, female, age 1, managers daughter, born Suffolk, Ipswitch
Abort.? J. Ellis, Brother in law, unmarried, male, age 14, brother in law, born Dorsett, Swanage
Elisa Parker, servant, unmarried, female, age 18, general servant, born Suffolk, Ashfield
Rosella Cresell, servant, unmarried, female, age 18, nursemaid, born Suffolk, Needham Market
1881 census, Ipswich St Nicholas, Suffolk, England
Dwelling: 5 Falcon Street
Census Place: Ipswich St Nicholas, Suffolk, England
Source: FHL Film 1341452 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 1871 Folio 32 Page 16
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Jno. HUDSON M 50 M N K, Hampshire, England
Occ: Manager To Brewery Company
Elizabeth Mary HUDSON M 40 F Swanage, Dorset, England
Occ: Manager Wife
Lilla Amy HUDSON U 20 F Southsea, Hampshire, England
Occ: Manager Daughter
Arthur Fredr. HUDSON U 18 M Camberwell, Surrey, England
Marion HUDSON U 15 F Gravesend, Kent, England
Occ: Scholar High School
Florence HUDSON U 14 F Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales
Occ: Scholar High School
George HUDSON U 12 M Camberwell, Surrey, England
Ada HUDSON U 10 F St Nicholas Ipswich, Suffolk, England
Gertrude Elizabeth HUDSON U 8 F St Nicholas Ipswich, Suffolk, England
Charles Lye HUDSON U 6 M St Nicholas Ipswich, Suffolk, England
Frank Leonard HUDSON U 4 M St Nicholas Ipswich, Suffolk, England
Kate WOLLARD U 19 F Kitcham, Suffolk, England
Occ: General Servant (Domestic)
1871 census, says John Hudson was born in Poplar, Middlesex, age 45, so born about 1825
1881 census says John Hudson now age 50 so born about 1820
1884 death registration says age 58 so born abt 1825
1861 Census for Camberwell, Surrey (St. George, District 15)
page 4, address: 7 Charles Place (living with the family of John and Mary Ann Cook)
John Edwards, Head, married, male, age 36, Brewers Foreman, born Poplar, Middlesex,
Elizabeth Edwards, Wife, married, female, age 28, born Swanage, Swanage, Dorset
Lilla A " , Daug, single, female, age 1, born Southsea, Hampshire
Is this our John and Elizabeth Hudson with Lilla A Hudson, showing the name Edwards??
sure looks like it... the birth reg for Lilla A Edwards will be ordered asap... (May 3, 2005)
The birth registration for Lilla Amy Edwards arrived May 16, 2005 and mother was Elizabeth Edwards , formerly Ellis. This name of Elizabeth Ellis and the occupation of John Edwards as a "brewers foreman " on the 1861 census indicates that John Edwards and John Robert Sutton Hudson should be one and the same person. In 1861 it would appear that John's only surviving child by his first marriage to Gertrude Emma Ingram is Thomas Ingram Hudson, now age 12 and boarding with a young 23 year old Schoolmaster in Lanport, Portsea, Hampshire as per the 1861 census. It would seem very likely that Gertrude Emma (Ingram) Hudson has deceased by this time.
John Robert Sutton Hudson and Elizabeth Mary Ellis eventually do get married on 1 March , 1863 in the parish of St. George, Southwark. (London) as their marriage registration indicates.
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Could it be that John Robert Sutton Hudson and John Edwards and John Mitchell could all be one and the same person????
An intriguing mystery for sure...jca
August 26, 2010
Our conversation re the baptism record I found on ancestry is attached.
You can see that the 3rd name of this child is not easily read, however, I have determined that it is "Stanwix". Note that the father is Robert Hudson and he is born in November 1824 and baptized in Poplar.
I did find a Robert Hudson in Poplar who had a sister (widow) named Grace Stanwix (Stanwicks) living with him along with a boarder with son by the names of Radley. Robert is listed as a widower. The mother's name on the baptism is Martha Patience (Radley). I have also found a marriage record for Robert Hudson marrying Martha Patience Radley as well as her death record in 1832. I also suspect that the boarder with Robert in 1851 is related to Martha given the last name.
So, while I can conclude that:
1. A Robert Hudson fathered a child named John Robert Stanwix Hudson
2. Robert Hudson had a sister whose married name was Stanwix or Stanwicks
3. Robert Hudson's wife was Martha Patience Radley
and so I see a link between all these people, however, with respect to John Robert Sutton Hudson all I have for support is that this baptism might be one and the same is:
1. Most census give his birth year as about 1825 and birth place as Poplar except the one in 1871 which was such a mess, and his age is given as 58 when he died in early 1884.
For this reason, it might be useful to keep this info just as a note for future reference. We do have a copy of the original baptism, so there's nothing more for us to say either yeay or nay to is there.
Noted events in his life were:
• Occupation: Brewer, 1847, Romsey, Hampshire. 130
• Occupation: Brewer, 1848, Botley, Hampshire. 137
• Residence: 7 Charles Place, 1861, Camberwell, Surrey, England. 135
• Occupation: Brewers Foreman, 1861, Camberwell, Surrey, England. 135
• Occupation: Brewer, 1851, Romsey Extra, Hampshire. 138
• Occupation: Brewer, 1862, Bermondsey, Surrey, England. 136
• Residence: 37 Singleton Street, 1866, Swansea, Glamorganshire, Wales. 87
• Residence: 5 Falcon Street, 1871, Ipswich St Nicholas, Suffolk, England. 85,142
• Occupation: Manager Falcon Brewery, 1871, Ipswich St Nicholas, Suffolk, England. 85,142
• Occupation: Manager to Brewery Company, 1881, Ipswich St Nicholas, Suffolk, England. 83
• Residence: 5 Falcon Street, Ipswich St. Nicholas, 1881, Ipswich , Suffolk, England. 83
• Residence: 82 Christ Church Street, 1884, Ipswich, Suffolk, England. 134
• Occupation: Brewer, 1884, Ipswich, Suffolk, England. 134
John married Gertrude Emma Ingram, daughter of Giles Ingram and Marianne Pope, on 19 Oct 1847 in Bere Regis Parish, Dorset, England.130 (Gertrude Emma Ingram was born on 14 Jul 1819 in Romsey, Hampshire 138,143, christened on 19 Sep 1827 in Romsey, Hampshire 143 and died Bef 1863, possibly 1854? 131.)
a search for this marriage was successful with the finding of:
Hudson, John Robert Sutton, registered in Wareham, Dorset, 4th Quarter, 1847
vol VIII (8), page 245
John next married Elizabeth Mary Ellis, daughter of Joseph Ellis and Sarah May, on 1 Mar 1863 in St. Mary Magdalen, St. George Parish, Southwark, Surrey.131 (Elizabeth Mary Ellis was born about 1832 in Swanage, Dorset, England 50,82,83,84,85,129,135,144,145,146,147, christened on 7 Oct 1832 in Swanage, Dorset, England,145,148 died on 5 May 1921 in Calgary, Alberta 50,84,117,149 and was buried on 9 May 1921 in Union Cemetery, Calgary, Alberta 117.)
Re the marriage date of John Robert Sutton Hudson and Elizabeth Mary Ellis..
according to the baptismal record of Albert Ellis in Jan of 1863, the mother Elizabeth Mary Ellis was still single at that time.. so Elizabeth must have been married after that. so perhaps 1863.
But Arthur Frederick Hudson would certainly appear to have been born in the last quarter of 1862 as per his GRO index in Bermondsey, Surrey.
The daughter Marion Hudson would appear to be born in 1864 as per the GRO indexes.
Church of England, Swanage,
Baptisms- 1863, page 68
baptism performed: Jan 25, 1863
Name: Albert XX. [hard to read middle name] , Illegitimate
Parents Name: Elizabeth Mary Ellis
occupation: "Single Woman"
A marriage registration was found for an Elizabeth Ellis, 4th qtr, of 1859, registration district of Wareham, which sounded very good indeed, but a search for a record for John Hudson for the same period does not turn up a match. (Elizabeth Ellis, 4th quarter, 1859, Wareham, vol 5a, page 663).. so maybe Elizabeth Ellis married someone else prior to the marriage to John R S Hudson??
( FreeBMD indicates a possible match for a Henry Hanny on same registration page) A search for a family of Henry Hanny with wife Elizabeth does turn up a Henry Hanney and Elizabeth (Elizabeth born Langton, Dorset) living in Holdenhurst, Hampshire in 1881 and having a 20 year old daughter.. So this likely forces a discard of the 1859 marriage of Elizabeth Ellis , 4th qtr of 1859 in Wareham.
May 12, 2005
Found in FreeBMD site the 1863 March qtr. registration in St. George of:
John Robert Sutton Hudson, reg district: St. George, vol 1d, page 153
with matching record of Elizabeth Mary Ellis, St. George, March 1863, vol 1d, page 153.
ordered marriage registration from GRO office, May 12, 2005.. jca
received May 25, 2005 and confirmed to be the correct registration for John Robert Sutton Hudson , widower , occupation Brewer, and Elizabeth Mary Ellis, spinster.